What is the
Differences between Registries
AKC
vs CKC
Boy you want to talk about a sore subject with some breeders! Well a piece of paper really
can start a fire. One claims to be better than the other. Some
breeders claim AKC to be the best club, and some breeders said AKC is the only
reputable club out there, and that CKC is not a reputable club. 1st of
all, how did AKC get their first dogs
reg. where did that first paper come from? We have AKC dogs and CKC dogs, we
have been to AKC kennels And CKC kennels and we have been to
kennels that reg. both. That piece of paper does not mean a
thing of how that kennel cares for their dogs or if they only breed healthy dogs or if their dogs are better than
any other are. We have sold CKC puppies and a year later
find that they have AKC reg.
puppies from them for sale, now how does that work? We have bought AKC
reg. dogs and taken them to our Vet. and have
the Dr. ask how old it was, and he would say no way, they must have got there
papers mixed up, HA HA. We have been to AKC & CKC
kennels that house all their dogs in small creates and those
poor dogs have never been on the ground or knows what
it feels like to run and feel the wind in its face, or the
ground under there feet. Alternatively, know the feeling of
the mourning sun on their face. One big question I have been
asked is, why is it a lot of AKC breeders not want to give the buyers full AKC rights often told that the puppy does not meet AKC standards, so why are
they breeding them if they do not meet the AKC standards, or give them any
papers at all, or give you CKC reg.. If they feel their
blood line is so much better than others, they should want
you to breed them. If they were so interested in improving
the bred, would they not want you to use their blood line that they say is so good, for
breeding to better the breed. Why it is OK for them, to
breed their dogs and not you, do they think they are so much better than you
are. I have been to AKC & CKC breeders that want to sell
a puppy or dog but would not let you see their kennel. Why? All our
puppies are CKC reg. Why? Because
our first was bought as a pet from a pet store in KY. We still have him,
he is almost fourteen now, and has had a good life without health problems. He
fits in the AKC standers great, and he is very very smart, and he is CKC reg..
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So I think what it comes down
to is, the breeders them self’s on
how they care for their dogs and if they breed dogs with health problems or not. Just because a puppy is AKC reg. Does
NOT make a dog more valuable, more special, or came from a better breeder.
Let me tell you one of our visits
at an AKC kennel. We were looking for some new blood for our line and needed a
female so we went to a kennel in south TN. The woman showed us a female and
said she would take $200.00 for her, so we went down to look at her. She was
housed in a cage and almost could not get up on her hind feet. I ask her what
was wrong with her, she said she was just weak in her back legs but that she was
a good mom and would be able to breed a
few times before putting her down. We just look at her and I cannot say what was
going though my mind. We just got in the car and left. Did that breeder have
better dogs because they were AKC reg.? or were they better cared for?
AKC CKC
reference chart
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CKC |
AKC |
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Started |
1991 |
1884 |
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Open
Registery |
Yes |
Yes
see note A} To left |
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When
Closed |
Still
Open |
part of 1916
see note B} |
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Popularity Rank |
#3 |
#1 |
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New
Owner Registration Fee |
$12 |
$20 |
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Late
Fee |
$0 |
$55 after 1
year
$85 after 2 years |
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Transfer Fee |
$0 |
$5 per person |
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Photo
Registration |
$18 |
NA |
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Pedigree |
$15 (3 or 4
Generation)
$20 (5 Generation) |
$20 (3
Generation)
$32 (4 Generation) |
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Online
Pedigree |
Not Available |
$10 (4
Generation)
$12 (5 Generation) |
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Lost
and Found Option |
$30 Includes
microchip and lifetime PETtrac Reg |
$18.50 Provides
a tag with your dogs Reg # on it |
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Litter
Fee |
$0 |
$25.00
see note C} |
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Per
Puppy Fee |
$0 |
$2.00
see note C} |
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Sanctioned
matches were begun |
2000
9 years after start |
1920
36 years after start |
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A}. Is the American Kennel Club a closed registry? NO
The American Kennel
Club will reg. dogs that they have no way of knowing their background.
This is off
American Kennel
Club own web site.
There are various reasons why a purebred dog
might not be eligible for registration. The dog may be the product of an
unregistered litter, or have unregistered parents.
The dog's papers may have been withheld by its breeder or lost by its owner.
Sometimes, it is the dog itself that was "lost." There are many dogs enrolled in
the ILP program after they have been surrendered
or abandoned, then adopted by new owners from animal shelters or purebred rescue
groups. The ILP program allows the dog and owner a second chance at discovering
the rewards of participating in AKC events.
And/or
Eligibility for Open Registration:
In order to be registered under Open Registration, a dog must be born in the
United States, or one of it's possessions or territories. Otherwise, it will
have to be submitted with a Foreign Dog Registration Application.
The owner must be a resident of the United States, or one of it's possessions or
territories.
The dog must be of a breed eligible for registration in the AKC Stud Book.
The dog must first be registered with a domestic registry acceptable to the AKC
(see below).
The dog must be registered with the same name that appears on the certificate
from the domestic registry.
The dog must be registered in the same owner(s) name that appears on the
certificate from the domestic registry. A co-owner can be added by a transfer
after the dog is AKC registered by simply filling out the back of the
certificate and sending to AKC with a transfer fee.
The information on the application must agree with the information on the
domestic registry certificate and/or pedigree.
I feel this is a good thing,
but that means they are not a closed Reg. or any better than any other Reg.
club.
B}
AKC would register any dog without
registered parents the 1st 28 years {and still do}. AKC will still register a
dog from other register clubs too. Sounds to me like the same thing other
clubs are doing, I think this makes AKC still and open register club.
C}
Looks like they look for any reason to charge you
money.
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Here are some AKC Rules & Facts:
the Differences between
Registries clubs is AKC any better than CKC.
1} This is off of
AKC own web site:
The
Chihuahua is an older breed by
American Kennel Club standards, first registered in 1904.
1A}Does that mean
there were not any
Chihuahuas in 1903? How did AKC get
papers on these dogs? Did a board of Directors just say we are going to do this
or what? Sounds like what CKC did to me, I mean you have to start some were don’t you. AKC started just like
CKC did.
2} This is off of AKC own web
site:
The AKC Board of Directors has the
authority to add a breed to the list of AKC-registrable
breeds if, in its opinion, sufficient evidence is presented to justify such
action. There are a number of factors the Board considers in
making this decision, including documentation that the breed in question has
been breeding true for many generations, with accurate record keeping; evidence
that there is sufficient interest in the breed throughout the United States;
and a national club in place that meets AKC requirements to act as the parent
club for the breed.
Well I guess someone has to,
I understand that. My thing is what makes their decision any better than the
Board of Directors of other clubs.
By the way what
does DNA males mean, when I went to school it also took
a female to make babies. That just tells that male dog is or not the Dad, what about
that dogs Dad or great granddad. Who to say that seven generations back a Rat
Terrier did not slip in (by the way, AKC just started doing
this a few years ago {July 1 of 2000}, so what about all
their foundation stock and the 100 years
past). AKC just did this to try to stay ahead of all the other Reg. clubs that
are starting up the same way they did, or to make more money. By the way what's
wrong one time why every 7th breeding. They should have it on file, so why do it
again.
The Differences
between Registries clubs
Once again off AKC's web site:
1. Which sires are required to be AKC DNA Profiled?
Effective for litters whelped on or after July 1, 2000, AKC DNA Profiling is
required if a stud dog is classified as a Frequently Used Sire, meaning that he
has produced seven or more litters in his lifetime or more than three litters in
a calendar year.
2. Is this requirement for Dams as well?
No. The requirement only applies to stud dogs meeting the above criteria.
Breeders may, of course, voluntarily DNA Profile other breeding stock or
offspring through the DNA Profile Program.
3. What information does the DNA testing provide?
AKC DNA Profiling is for parentage verification and genetic identity purposes
only. It does not provide information regarding genetic health, conformation,
performance ability, coat color, etc.
4. What is the cost of AKC DNA Profiling?
AKC has two types of kits. The regular kit is available at no charge, and the
$40 processing fee (per dog) is due when the sample is returned to the AKC. We
also offer a Prepaid Test Kit for only $35 (per dog). You can save $5 per dog by
paying in advance.
5. How do I order a DNA Test Kit?
DNA Test Kits may be ordered through the AKC Online Store, or by contacting the
AKC:
mail: AKC DNA Test Kit
American Kennel Club
PO Box 37904
Raleigh, NC 27627-7904
Looks to me like AKC may be making plenty of
money. I can and have, got birds DNA for $20 or less.
The papers and
your puppies are only as good as the breeders that sold them to you, and if you
want to pay more for papers that don't mean a thing unless you are going to show
them, well that is your choice, and that is fine. We just think you should be
aware what the papers mean and what they are worth, and the facts, for what you
are paying for.
| Finding the
right dog that you will live with for the next ten to fifteen years or more
is important. Its health and temperament should be your main focus.
Secondary should be where it comes from, not a puppy mill or a breeder that
house in cages then type,
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LONG AND SHORT OF IT ALL
Our feelings are that it all falls back to the breeders
themselves, their are good AKC breeders, and bad ones too, just like all the
rest of the clubs have, not what registration name is on the papers of your new
puppy. One should pay more attention to the breeder and how well they care for
there dogs and not what name is on their registration papers. That is what makes
your puppy what it is. We
don’t have a
problem
with
American Kennel Club at all, just people that think
American Kennel
Club is God or American Kennel Club
is all their is, or the best. Alternatively,
that other Reg. clubs are not as reputable of a club, everyone has to start somewhere, just like AKC
did. All clubs have good and bad points, and good and bad breeders. The papers are only as good as the breeder that gives them to you, not the
name of the club on it. Any one who thinks he or she is getting a better dog because of its
papers AKC or CKC has a lot to learn. We just hope they don’t
learn it the hard way as some already have.
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Always Remember
Recognizing
the Commitment: Dog ownership is not something to be
entered into lightly. Owning a dog is a long-term
emotional and financial commitment. Before deciding that
a certain dog is right for you, you must make an honest
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This paper is work in progress, I will be
working on it as I get time to keep doing research on it.
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This is a letter
from the NCA to AKC 
Daily
News for the Showing Fancy
January 9, 2007 Headlines |
REGISTRY, Breed & kennel Club NEWS
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This letter from
NCA to AKC
was on "courtesy hold" until there was a
acknowledging response. Since there has been none, we have been
given permission to publish.
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July 13th, 2006
Subject: AKC Board’s Vote at May
2006 Meeting Referencing Judging Conflicts of Interest
This Letter was Personally
Addressed to:
Dear AKC Chairman of the Board:
AKC President:
and Each AKC Board Member :
After reviewing the policy and rule change voted on at
AKC’s May 2006 Board Meeting, we are
left wondering why the Stansell and
Gaeta call was made within hours of
the AKC Board’s vote. The
AKC Board’s written policy clearly
states that “No
AKC judge may have a significant interest in a dog
registry or dog event-giving organization deemed by the
AKC Board to be in competition with
the American Kennel Club.” (new underlining & bold ours) Based
on a close reading of the minutes of the May 2006
AKC Board meeting , it is clear that
the AKC Board did not, in fact, make
a determination as to which of the many organizations and/or
registries it deems to be in competition with the
AKC.
In speaking with more than one AKC
Board member, the NCA learned that
AKC Board members
were not provided a detailed briefing
on the National Canine Association’s policies, bylaws or
event-giving rules and procedures. Not one individual from the
AKC staff contacted the
NCA verbally, or in writing, to seek
input on NCA’s rules and procedures.
This information would have allowed the AKC
staff to furnish AKC Board members
the detailed information which would
have clearly shown that the NCA fit
the criteria as an exception since “AKC
has no comparable events in place.”
Since the AKC
staff did not brief the AKC Board,
the following differences between an NCA
event and an AKC show are submitted
at this time for your review and to assist each
AKC Board member in reaching the
logical and equitable decision that the NCA
is not a competitor based on the following partial list of
differences of an NCA event versus
an AKC show:
1. UNLIKE AKC shows,
NCA events are NOT
limited to purebred dogs.
2. UNLIKE the AKC, no
dogs have to be registered with the
NCA to participate in
NCA events and may be repeatedly
exhibited without being listed or registered. This rule
was purposely put in place since the
NCA did not want individual
participants to feel the NCA wanted
to make money on registrations. Dogs are
registered primarily to track show awards.
3. UNLIKE AKC shows,
the NCA encourages its judges to
discuss the breed with exhibitors after judging
to further enhance the learning
experience. (Both parties find this experience most worthwhile.)
4. UNLIKE the AKC, purebred
dogs with disqualifying breed faults may be
exhibited at NCA events in
our PUREBRED COMPANION DOG CLASS.
5. UNLIKE the AKC,
purebred monorchids and altered dogs
and spayed bitches can be exhibited
in breed competition at NCA events.
6. UNLIKE the AKC,
handicapped dogs may be exhibited at
NCA events including blind, deaf and
three-legged dogs.
7. UNLIKE AKC shows,
professional handlers CANNOT compete with owner
handlers for awards. Separate classes are
provided for professional handlers and owner handlers.
8. UNLIKE the AKC, all judges
MUST exhibit in competition with the professional
handlers in the professional classes.
9. UNLIKE the AKC, the
NCA has eight (8) Groups, not seven
(7). NCA’s eighth Group is the RARE
BREED Group.
10. UNLIKE AKC shows,
NCA events have sixteen (16) Group
winners (8 Non-Professional Group winners and 8 Professional
Group winners).
11. UNLIKE AKC shows,
NCA events have two (2) Best-In-Show
winners.
12. UNLIKE AKC shows,
NCA events have a “Supreme
Best-In-Show”. The AKC has nothing
similar to it.
13. UNLIKE AKC shows,
NCA events have three (3) judges
judging Best-In-Show.
14. UNLIKE the AKC, no
NCA judge
has ever been paid to judge an
NCA event. Quite a few
NCA judges have even paid part or
all of their expenses considering it a learning experience.
15. UNLIKE AKC
shows when the AKC Chairman and
other AKC Board members judge, the
NCA Chairman of the Board not only
does not get paid to judge but personally pays his own expenses
including his travel and hotel.
16. UNLIKE the AKC Board
and officers, NCA Chairman of
the Board, President/CEO and VP for Operations have NOT
received ANY compensation for their thousands of
hours of service the past nine and a half (9 ˝) years.
17. UNLIKE AKC’s
complicated judges approval process,
NCA judges are granted multiple
Groups and/or all-breed status initially primarily to afford
them the opportunity to learn about breeds that are new to them.
18. Finally, UNLIKE the not-for-profit
AKC
which has made millions of dollars in the past nine (9)
years, the NCA has not made any
profit and has actually had a loss of thousands of dollars
through the years. It has operated as a training ground to help
judges become educated in new breeds (this
being made possible by the financial contribution of one
of its founders, Mr. Joseph Gregory and the donation
of their time by the President/CEO, the VP for Operations and
all the judges).
One other important fact. The
NCA learned that the
AKC Board was
never made aware, and hence could not consider,
NCA’s offer to
AKC President, Dennis Sprung, to act as a farm team
working with the AKC to offer judges
training experience in breeds they were not licensed for. This
obviously would have placed the NCA
in a somewhat subservient role. This was of little consequence
since NCA’s primary goal was to
offer training and experience in a more realistic dog-show
setting as opposed to just classroom or observer status (both of
which are desirable). The individuals involved with the
NCA have over twenty (20) years
experience in education programs for judges and have
recognized early on there was a dire need
for this sort of realistic training. Baseball farm teams
actually play baseball games to get ready for the big leagues.
Replace baseball games with dog shows and big leagues with the
likes of AKC, and
you’ll have what the
NCA is all about.
Before you vote to deem the NCA as a
competitor of the AKC, we ask each
of you to personally decide, in good
conscious, is the National Canine Association in competition
with the American Kennel Club? Does the NCA
clearly and unequivocally fall under the
AKC Board’s own exception and we quote, “AKC
has no comparable events in place.”?
For the record, since the very first show, the vast majority of
our judges have been AKC judges from
Group and multiple-Group judges to those with a few breeds. We
would hope the AKC Board and its
Delegates do not deny this valuable learning opportunity to its
AKC judges.
One final thought for each of you. Does the prestigious and
venerable AKC want to be placed
nationally in a negative role by denying dedicated judges,
breeders and other individuals the opportunity to spend a
weekend exchanging thoughts and their experience in the dog
world to learn more about breeds that they one day would hope to
judge for the AKC? Surely, all of
you are aware of the very negative comments that your recent
ruling has generated throughout the sport.
In view of the January 1st, 2007 implementation date, we ask
that either the AKC President or
AKC Executive Secretary advise us as
to the AKC Board’s decision on this
matter at the earliest possible date.
Sincerely,
Wallace H. Pedé
President/CEO
WHP/kms
Info copy: Mr. James P. Crowley, AKC
Executive Secretary
This letter is being sent to:
AKC
Chairman of the Board, Ronald Menaker
AKC President, Dennis Sprung
and All AKC Board Members.
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This is
just some of our feeling about all registry clubs, it may
sound like I am picking on AKC, but I really am not trying to. I happen
to like AKC, they are a very good club, and they do a lot to help all
dogs. Some breeders think or feel that AKC is the only reputable club
out there or that CKC is not a reputable club, we do not feel that is
the case. We do not feel that the papers that come with your new puppy
make it worth any more or less money. We feel what makes your puppy
worth more or less, is how your breeder takes care of your puppy and
adults on a day-to-day bases. If they take care of them like they
should, they will spend a lot more money on them and spend a lot more
time with them. It just happens to be that the registry club name on
your papers has nothing to do with that or the quality of your new
puppy.
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