What is the Differences between Registries

 

 AKC vs CKC


 AKC vs CKC

 

        Boy you want to talk about a sore subject with some breeders! Well a piece of paper really can start a fire. One claims to be better than the other. Some breeders claim AKC to be the best club, and some breeders said AKC is the only reputable club out there, and that CKC is not a reputable club. 1st of all, how did AKC get their first dogs reg. where did that first paper come from? We have AKC dogs and CKC dogs, we have been to AKC kennels And CKC kennels and we have been to kennels that reg. both. That piece of paper does not mean a thing of how that kennel cares for their dogs or if they only breed healthy dogs or if their dogs are better than any other are. We have sold CKC puppies and a year later find that they have AKC reg. puppies  from them for sale, now how does that work? We have bought AKC reg. dogs and taken them to our Vet. and have the Dr. ask how old it was, and he would say no way, they must have got there papers mixed up, HA HA. We have been to AKC & CKC kennels that house all their dogs in small creates and those poor dogs have never been on the ground or knows what it feels like to run and feel the wind in its face, or the ground under there feet. Alternatively, know the feeling of the mourning sun on their face. One big question I have been asked is, why is it a lot of AKC breeders not want to give the buyers full AKC rights often told that the puppy does not meet AKC standards, so why are they breeding them if they do not meet the AKC standards, or give them any papers at all, or give you CKC reg.. If they feel their blood line is so much better than others, they should want you to breed them. If they were so interested in improving the bred, would they not want you to use their blood line that they say is so good, for breeding to better the breed. Why it is OK for them, to breed their dogs and not you, do they think they are so much better than you are. I have been to AKC & CKC breeders that want to sell a puppy or dog but would not let you see their kennel. Why? All our puppies are CKC reg. Why? Because our first was bought as a pet from a pet store in KY. We still have him, he is almost fourteen now, and has had a good life without health problems. He fits in the AKC standers great, and he is very very smart, and he is CKC reg..

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      So I think what it comes down to is, the breeders them self’s on how they care for their dogs and if they breed dogs with health problems or not.  Just because a puppy is AKC reg.  Does NOT make a dog more valuable, more special, or came from a better breeder.

 

Let me tell you one of our visits at an AKC kennel. We were looking for some new blood for our line and needed a female so we went to a kennel in south TN. The woman showed us a female and said she would take $200.00 for her, so we went down to look at her. She was housed in a cage and almost could not get up on her hind feet. I ask her what was wrong with her, she said she was just weak in her back legs but that she was a good mom and  would be able to breed a few times before putting her down. We just look at her and I cannot say what was going though my mind. We just got in the car and left. Did that breeder have better dogs because they were AKC reg.? or were they better cared for?

 

                         AKC CKC reference chart

 

 

CKC

AKC

Started

1991

1884

Open Registery

Yes

Yes see note A} To left

When Closed

Still Open

part of 1916 see note B}

Popularity Rank

#3

#1

New Owner Registration Fee

$12

$20

Late Fee

$0

$55 after 1 year
$85 after 2 years

Transfer Fee

$0

$5 per person

Photo Registration

$18

NA

Pedigree

$15 (3 or 4 Generation)
$20 (5 Generation)

$20 (3 Generation)
$32 (4 Generation)

Online Pedigree

Not Available

$10 (4 Generation)
$12 (5 Generation)

Lost and Found Option

$30 Includes microchip and lifetime PETtrac Reg

$18.50 Provides a tag with your dogs Reg # on it

Litter Fee

$0

$25.00 see note C}

Per Puppy Fee

$0

$2.00  see note C}

 Sanctioned matches were begun

 2000  9 years after start

1920  36 years after start

 

 

 

 

A}. Is the American Kennel Club a closed registry? NO

The American Kennel Club will reg. dogs that they have no way of knowing their background.

This is off  American Kennel Club own web site.

There are various reasons why a purebred dog might not be eligible for registration. The dog may be the product of an unregistered litter, or have unregistered parents. The dog's papers may have been withheld by its breeder or lost by its owner. Sometimes, it is the dog itself that was "lost." There are many dogs enrolled in the ILP program after they have been surrendered or abandoned, then adopted by new owners from animal shelters or purebred rescue groups. The ILP program allows the dog and owner a second chance at discovering the rewards of participating in AKC events.

             

           And/or


Eligibility for Open Registration:


In order to be registered under Open Registration, a dog must be born in the United States, or one of it's possessions or territories. Otherwise, it will have to be submitted with a Foreign Dog Registration Application.

The owner must be a resident of the United States, or one of it's possessions or territories.

The dog must be of a breed eligible for registration in the AKC Stud Book.

The dog must first be registered with a domestic registry acceptable to the AKC (see below).

The dog must be registered with the same name that appears on the certificate from the domestic registry.

The dog must be registered in the same owner(s) name that appears on the certificate from the domestic registry. A co-owner can be added by a transfer after the dog is AKC registered by simply filling out the back of the certificate and sending to AKC with a transfer fee.

The information on the application must agree with the information on the domestic registry certificate and/or pedigree.

I feel this is a good thing, but that means they are not a closed Reg. or any better than any other Reg. club.

B} AKC would register any dog without registered parents the 1st 28 years {and still do}. AKC will still register a dog from other register clubs too.  Sounds to me like the same thing other clubs are doing,  I think this makes AKC still and open register club.

C} Looks like they look for any reason to charge you money. recommended registries

 

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     Here are some AKC Rules & Facts:

    the Differences between Registries clubs is AKC any better than CKC.

     

    1} This is off of AKC own web site:  The Chihuahua is an older breed by American Kennel Club standards, first registered in 1904.

     

       1A}Does that mean there were not any Chihuahuas in 1903? How did AKC get papers on these dogs? Did a board of Directors just say we are going to do this or what? Sounds like what CKC did to me, I mean you have to start some were don’t you. AKC started just like CKC did.

     

    2} This is off of AKC own web site: The AKC Board of Directors has the authority to add a breed to the list of AKC-registrable breeds if, in its opinion, sufficient evidence is presented to justify such action. There are a number of factors the Board considers in making this decision, including documentation that the breed in question has been breeding true for many generations, with accurate record keeping; evidence that there is sufficient interest in the breed throughout the United States; and a national club in place that meets AKC requirements to act as the parent club for the breed.

     

        Well I guess someone has to, I understand that. My thing is what makes their decision any better than the Board of Directors of other clubs.

     

           By the way what does DNA males mean, when I went to school it also took a female to make babies. That just tells that male dog is or not the Dad, what about that dogs Dad or great granddad. Who to say that seven generations back a Rat Terrier did not slip in (by the way, AKC just started doing this a few years ago {July 1 of 2000}, so what about all their foundation stock and the 100 years past). AKC just did this to try to stay ahead of all the other Reg. clubs that are starting up the same way they did, or to make more money. By the way what's wrong one time why every 7th breeding. They should have it on file, so why do it again.

    The Differences between Registries clubs

     

       Once again off AKC's web site:

    1. Which sires are required to be AKC DNA Profiled?

    Effective for litters whelped on or after July 1, 2000, AKC DNA Profiling is required if a stud dog is classified as a Frequently Used Sire, meaning that he has produced seven or more litters in his lifetime or more than three litters in a calendar year.

    2. Is this requirement for Dams as well?

    No. The requirement only applies to stud dogs meeting the above criteria. Breeders may, of course, voluntarily DNA Profile other breeding stock or offspring through the DNA Profile Program.

    3. What information does the DNA testing provide?

    AKC DNA Profiling is for parentage verification and genetic identity purposes only. It does not provide information regarding genetic health, conformation, performance ability, coat color, etc.

    4. What is the cost of AKC DNA Profiling?

    AKC has two types of kits. The regular kit is available at no charge, and the $40 processing fee (per dog) is due when the sample is returned to the AKC. We also offer a Prepaid Test Kit for only $35 (per dog). You can save $5 per dog by paying in advance.

    5. How do I order a DNA Test Kit?

    DNA Test Kits may be ordered through the AKC Online Store, or by contacting the AKC:

    mail: AKC DNA Test Kit
    American Kennel Club
    PO Box 37904
    Raleigh, NC 27627-7904

     

    Looks to me like AKC may be making plenty of money. I can and have, got birds DNA for $20 or less.

     The papers and your puppies are only as good as the breeders that sold them to you, and if you want to pay more for papers that don't mean a thing unless you are going to show them, well that is your choice, and that is fine. We just think you should be aware what the papers mean and what they are worth, and the facts, for what you are paying for.

     

    Finding the right dog that you will live with for the next ten to fifteen years or more is important. Its health and temperament should be your main focus. Secondary should be where it comes from, not a puppy mill or a breeder that house in cages then type, size, color and sex. Not the club papers.

     

    THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT ALL

     

     

          Our feelings are that it all falls back to the breeders themselves, their are good AKC breeders, and bad ones too, just like all the rest of the clubs have, not what registration name is on the papers of your new puppy. One should pay more attention to the breeder and how well they care for there dogs and not what name is on their registration papers. That is what makes your puppy what it is.  We don’t have a problem with American Kennel Club at all, just people that think  American Kennel Club is God or American Kennel Club is all their is, or the best. Alternatively, that other Reg. clubs are not as reputable of a club, everyone has to start somewhere, just like AKC did. All clubs have good and bad points, and good and bad breeders. The papers are only as good as the breeder that gives them to you, not the name of the club on it. Any one who thinks he or she is getting a better dog because of its papers AKC or CKC has a lot to learn. We just hope they don’t learn it the hard way as some already have.

    Always Remember

    Recognizing  the Commitment: Dog ownership is not something to be entered into lightly. Owning a dog is a long-term emotional and financial commitment. Before deciding that a certain dog is right for you, you must make an honest assessment as to whether your home is right for any dog.

    This paper is work in progress, I will be working on it as I get time to keep doing research on it.

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    This is a letter from the NCA to AKC   

    Daily News for the Showing Fancy

    January 9, 2007 Headlines

     

    REGISTRY, Breed & kennel Club NEWS


     

     

    This letter from NCA to AKC was on "courtesy hold" until there was a acknowledging response.  Since there has been none, we have been given permission to publish.


     

    July 13th, 2006

    Subject: AKC Board’s Vote at May 2006 Meeting Referencing Judging Conflicts of Interest
     

    This Letter was Personally Addressed to:


    Dear AKC Chairman of the Board:
    AKC President:
    and Each AKC Board Member :

    After reviewing the policy and rule change voted on at AKC’s May 2006 Board Meeting, we are left wondering why the Stansell and Gaeta call was made within hours of the AKC Board’s vote. The AKC Board’s written policy clearly states that “No AKC judge may have a significant interest in a dog registry or dog event-giving organization deemed by the AKC Board to be in competition with the American Kennel Club.” (new underlining & bold ours) Based on a close reading of the minutes of the May 2006 AKC Board meeting , it is clear that the AKC Board did not, in fact, make a determination as to which of the many organizations and/or registries it deems to be in competition with the AKC.

    In speaking with more than one AKC Board member, the NCA learned that AKC Board members were not provided a detailed briefing on the National Canine Association’s policies, bylaws or event-giving rules and procedures. Not one individual from the AKC staff contacted the NCA verbally, or in writing, to seek input on NCA’s rules and procedures. This information would have allowed the AKC staff to furnish AKC Board members the detailed information which would have clearly shown that the NCA fit the criteria as an exception since “AKC has no comparable events in place.”

    Since the AKC staff did not brief the AKC Board, the following differences between an NCA event and an AKC show are submitted at this time for your review and to assist each AKC Board member in reaching the logical and equitable decision that the NCA is not a competitor based on the following partial list of differences of an NCA event versus an AKC show:

    1. UNLIKE AKC shows, NCA events are NOT limited to purebred dogs.


    2. UNLIKE the AKC, no dogs have to be registered with the NCA to participate in NCA events and may be repeatedly exhibited without being listed or registered. This rule was purposely put in place since the NCA did not want individual participants to feel the NCA wanted to make money on registrations. Dogs are registered primarily to track show awards.

    3. UNLIKE AKC shows, the NCA encourages its judges to discuss the breed with exhibitors after judging to further enhance the learning experience. (Both parties find this experience most worthwhile.)

    4. UNLIKE the AKC, purebred dogs with disqualifying breed faults may be exhibited at NCA events in our PUREBRED COMPANION DOG CLASS.

    5. UNLIKE the AKC, purebred monorchids and altered dogs and spayed bitches can be exhibited in breed competition at NCA events.

    6. UNLIKE the AKC, handicapped dogs may be exhibited at NCA events including blind, deaf and three-legged dogs.

    7. UNLIKE AKC shows, professional handlers CANNOT compete with owner handlers for awards. Separate classes are provided for professional handlers and owner handlers.

    8. UNLIKE the AKC, all judges MUST exhibit in competition with the professional handlers in the professional classes.

    9. UNLIKE the AKC, the NCA has eight (8) Groups, not seven (7). NCA’s eighth Group is the RARE BREED Group.

    10. UNLIKE AKC shows, NCA events have sixteen (16) Group winners (8 Non-Professional Group winners and 8 Professional Group winners).

    11. UNLIKE AKC shows, NCA events have two (2) Best-In-Show winners.

    12. UNLIKE AKC shows, NCA events have a “Supreme Best-In-Show”. The AKC has nothing similar to it.

    13. UNLIKE AKC shows, NCA events have three (3) judges judging Best-In-Show.

    14. UNLIKE the AKC, no NCA judge has ever been paid to judge an NCA event. Quite a few NCA judges have even paid part or all of their expenses considering it a learning experience.

    15. UNLIKE AKC shows when the AKC Chairman and other AKC Board members judge, the NCA Chairman of the Board not only does not get paid to judge but personally pays his own expenses including his travel and hotel.

    16. UNLIKE the AKC Board and officers, NCA Chairman of the Board, President/CEO and VP for Operations have NOT received ANY compensation for their thousands of hours of service the past nine and a half (9 ˝) years.

    17. UNLIKE AKC’s complicated judges approval process, NCA judges are granted multiple Groups and/or all-breed status initially primarily to afford them the opportunity to learn about breeds that are new to them.

    18. Finally, UNLIKE the not-for-profit AKC which has made millions of dollars in the past nine (9) years, the NCA has not made any profit and has actually had a loss of thousands of dollars through the years. It has operated as a training ground to help judges become educated in new breeds (this being made possible by the financial contribution of one of its founders, Mr. Joseph Gregory and the donation of their time by the President/CEO, the VP for Operations and all the judges).

    One other important fact. The NCA learned that the AKC Board was never made aware, and hence could not consider, NCA’s offer to AKC President, Dennis Sprung, to act as a farm team working with the AKC to offer judges training experience in breeds they were not licensed for. This obviously would have placed the NCA in a somewhat subservient role. This was of little consequence since NCA’s primary goal was to offer training and experience in a more realistic dog-show setting as opposed to just classroom or observer status (both of which are desirable). The individuals involved with the NCA have over twenty (20) years experience in education programs for judges and have recognized early on there was a dire need for this sort of realistic training. Baseball farm teams actually play baseball games to get ready for the big leagues. Replace baseball games with dog shows and big leagues with the likes of AKC, and you’ll have what the NCA is all about.

    Before you vote to deem the NCA as a competitor of the AKC, we ask each of you to personally decide, in good conscious, is the National Canine Association in competition with the American Kennel Club? Does the NCA clearly and unequivocally fall under the AKC Board’s own exception and we quote, “AKC has no comparable events in place.”? For the record, since the very first show, the vast majority of our judges have been AKC judges from Group and multiple-Group judges to those with a few breeds. We would hope the AKC Board and its Delegates do not deny this valuable learning opportunity to its AKC judges.

    One final thought for each of you. Does the prestigious and venerable AKC want to be placed nationally in a negative role by denying dedicated judges, breeders and other individuals the opportunity to spend a weekend exchanging thoughts and their experience in the dog world to learn more about breeds that they one day would hope to judge for the AKC? Surely, all of you are aware of the very negative comments that your recent ruling has generated throughout the sport.

    In view of the January 1st, 2007 implementation date, we ask that either the AKC President or AKC Executive Secretary advise us as to the AKC Board’s decision on this matter at the earliest possible date.

    Sincerely,

    Wallace H. Pedé
    President/CEO

    WHP/kms

    Info copy: Mr. James P. Crowley, AKC Executive Secretary

    This letter is being sent to:

    AKC Chairman of the Board, Ronald Menaker
    AKC President, Dennis Sprung
    and All AKC Board Members.

     

     

     

    This is just some of our feeling about all registry clubs, it may sound like I am picking on AKC, but I really am not trying to. I happen to like AKC, they are a very good club, and they do a lot to help all dogs. Some breeders think or feel that AKC is the only reputable club out there or that CKC is not a reputable club, we do not feel that is the case. We do not feel that the papers that come with your new puppy make it worth any more or less money. We feel what makes your puppy worth more or less, is how your breeder takes care of your puppy and adults on a day-to-day bases. If they take care of them like they should, they will spend a lot more money on them and spend a lot more time with them. It just happens to be that the registry club name on your papers has nothing to do with that or the quality of your new puppy.

     

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